Episode Transcript: In Conversation with Teresa Roca, The U.S. Sun.

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0:00
LAUREN: Hello, everybody welcome back to allegedly bravo.

0:04
LAUREN: I'm Lauren and today we are in conversation with Teresa Rocca who is the assistant entertainment editor for the sun dot dot dot the fucking son and you're probably sitting there thinking like there's no way that this bitch means the sun as in like the international tabloid magazine and I'm just here to tell you that's exactly what I mean.

0:32
LAUREN: Okay, so that's what we're working with today.

0:35
LAUREN: So I met Teresa in the lobby of gen shaw's sentencing and while that day did not go very well for jen or her family, it was like not good for them.

0:47
LAUREN: I had the best time and I met so many people and just like friends and colleagues, I'm gonna call Theresa colleague and a friend that I hope to continue working with and like learning from because holy crap, like I met Teresa in the lobby in that beautiful marbled federal courthouse lobby and she was obviously there as the entertainment editor for the Sun and she was there to get the scoop on jen sentencing and I was like, oh my God, she looks like someone I want to be friends with and we just linked up exchange stories.

1:30
LAUREN: I found out so many really cool things about Teresa that I can't wait for you guys to hear all about.

1:38
LAUREN: we explore all these different stories that she's covered and we talk about what it's like to be inside of the courtroom for some of the most prolific trials in modern entertainment history, if you ask me and anyone else that I know and love and we talk a lot about how insanely great it is that she gets to be a part of just such a great team with the sun in here in the US and she gets to cover all of these super iconic, great moments in pop culture history and one thing that I love about Teresa and about the Sun is that they take the stories that we want to hear like you and I, we want to sit down and I want to open the news and I don't give a fuck about whatever document donald trump thought about and qualified or disqualified or whatever the fuck.

2:36
LAUREN: Like, I don't care.

2:37
LAUREN: I don't care, I don't care.

2:38
LAUREN: I'll care later.

2:40
LAUREN: Like, I want to open the news and I want to see what happened to jen shaw.

2:47
LAUREN: I want to see what happened in Amanda Knox's interview.

2:52
LAUREN: I want to see what happened to Joy Anna duggar's baby pump in 2017.

2:58
LAUREN: Like, I'm, I'm, there's so much more important things going on that.

3:03
LAUREN: Like, I don't care about the Cheeto puff.

3:05
LAUREN: I don't care.

3:06
LAUREN: I don't care.

3:07
LAUREN: You don't care.

3:08
LAUREN: We don't care.

3:08
LAUREN: And Teresa has just a boot on the ground, she has an eye for the prize and she's got a knack for finding the stories that we care about and then exploring them and showing up there and being like, oh hi is mike the situation being sentenced to jail Well, I think I'll show up because my friends want to know all about it and we do and it's just people like Theresa that are angels on this earth that are putting themselves on the front lines, on the front lines and and getting us the information, getting us the 411.

3:51
ILAUREN: 'm sorry if I'm going on a rant here, but I'm just so sick and tired of people, I'm going to call them men, men on the news, telling me what's interesting and what's not interesting and I have to turn on CNN and see like bullshit about like stuffy things.

4:11
LAUREN: Why can't I turn on the news and see things that I care about, why I'm over it.

4:19
LAUREN: And Teresa is I'm going to call her mother.

4:22
LAUREN: Teresa.

4:23
LAUREN: Mother Teresa is the saint from The Sun who has just sat in there, sat in the room, sat through every day of josh duggar's fucking trial every day.

4:33
LAUREN: Teresa Roca from the Sun, sat there, she called the clerk and she said Clerk of the Court, please I need a seat.

4:43
LAUREN: She's doing the work that we want.

4:46
LAUREN: She's she's putting herself on the front line, she's sitting through trial and trial and tribulation of all these other people just to bring us the good word and I think that there's something to be said for that.

5:03
LAUREN: And so I, I hereby nominate Teresa Roca from the sun for a Pulitzer prize and also whatever prize news people get because thank you Teresa and all of the talented journalists over at the son who take this seriously.

5:24
LAUREN: They know what we want, they know what we want to hear about.

5:29
LAUREN: They're interested in it too and they go out and they get us the scoop and then they package it up all cute and pretty and we read it and that's all we could ever ask for from our news team.

5:43
LAUREN: That's what we want.

5:44
LAUREN: So here is my interview with mother. Teresa Roca from The U.S. Sun.

LAUREN: enjoy.

5:54
INTRO MUSIC

6:01
LAUREN: I object hello everybody, we are here with Teresa Rocca, the assistant entertainment editor for the Sun.

6:10
LAUREN: Hello, how are you?

6:12
Hi, how are you doing?

6:13
LAUREN: Well, Oh my gosh, I'm so excited to sit down and talk with you.

6:18
LAUREN: When I teased this episode, my listeners were like oh my God, I got so many DMS with so many questions, I had to kind of tone it down because I was like you can't answer some of these, like hopefully I can answer many of them.

6:32
Yeah.

6:33
LAUREN: And if you can't just say that and we have to respect that.

6:37
LAUREN: I mean, you know, you're doing us like such a service by being here and telling us all this stuff okay, so really quickly I just want to give a pet a little introduction into who you are.

6:50
LAUREN: so you are in a reporter and editor and your previous experience was with radar online, who a lot of us know as one of the most prolific real housewives of Beverly Hills.

7:04
LAUREN: it's like should be holding a diamond on its own but it's just not you reported on Teresa judy jay's tax troubles like wow, our first real criminal Selena's killer, you followed that whole thing, You covered the Amanda Knox interview and even the duggars way back then like before this all became as in the forefront of people who didn't even watch TLC as it is now and now you're working for the sun which is just like oh my gosh, so so cool.

7:45
LAUREN: And we met at the jen shaw sentencing.

7:50
LAUREN: So you've been covering that and I just want to touch on a few of these things before we like dive in.

7:57
LAUREN: You covered mike the situation in his sentencing, the whole josh Strugar trial.

8:04
LAUREN: The duggar lawsuit with the sisters against the police, chris Chrisley, nick cannon, I'm sorry, nick cannon, nick carter.

8:15
LAUREN: Sister wives like the whole nine.

8:18
LAUREN: So my first question to you is how did you end up with everybody's dream job of reporting on the actual most important things in the world like our reality stars.

8:32
LAUREN: How do you, how do you get that job?

8:34
LAUREN: That's amazing.

8:35
So growing up, I was obsessed with reality stars.

8:40
I watched every single reality show as a child I would go to the grocery store pick up people magazine us weekly every every magazine I'd read.

8:50
And I just I loved writing, I loved journalism.

8:53
I also loved the law.

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I wanted to I wanted to be a lawyer growing up and then I was like well I don't want to give up my love of like reality tv and writing so I thought I would do kind of a mix and do journalism and entertainment journalism at that.

9:08
And in school they don't really teach you entertainment journalism it's kind of something you need to like push yourself into.

9:14
So I interned at Ivillage which was like under NBC but it was an entertainment website.

9:23
Time out new york.

9:25
I tried to like immerse myself into it before getting into the job field.

9:29
and then I started working at bower which has like in touch J.

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14 and then yeah and then my first job was at radar online as a web producer.

9:43
So I would just build the stories and which means like basically like copy and pasting into like the C.

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And publishing them and adding photo and that's where I learned kind of like I was I was I was building all of these exclusive stories and I was like how did that person speak with like Sonja morgan from housewife you know so I went to my boss and I was like I want to be an exclusive reporter like like show me how to do this.

10:12
Well yeah, so they were like we're gonna play with Ok magazine.

10:18
you know, you're gonna learn writing there.

10:20
So I did, I was a writer that's where I started off and then I would see tips come in.

10:25
I think one of the first tips I did was like David Easton, Jenelle Evans husband or time someone was like, this guy has been arrested 1000 times so I was like, I want to do this.

10:37
and yeah, I kind of had to like climb my way up there.

10:42
My boss now gina, she was at radar, she helped me so much just you know, learn how to do it and I feel like that's how I got into it.

10:52
LAUREN: I mean that's like so fun.

10:54
LAUREN: So you really were just like, oh I like this and now you're gonna pay me to do this, that's so cool and how cool to have a boss that's just like so supportive and it's like great, we're going to start you at Ok magazine, just like a super cool place.

11:10
LAUREN: That's awesome.

11:11
LAUREN: So when you first started covering these these stories, like so you get it from a tip line, I don't understand like what is that?

11:20
Like an email thing and people are like, oh you might want to look into this and then you start going or Yeah, so everyone, a lot of websites, especially entertainment have tip lines to people on the website, you'll see like we pay for money, you know, you pay for stories.

11:38
and a lot of how I started was, you know, I didn't have any sources.

11:41
So a lot of my sources, I did build from the tip line.

11:45
and people, yeah, they email in and then over time you keep in contact with them, you build these sources.

11:52
Sometimes, you know, you've reached out to celebrities themselves speaking about Sonja morgan before, I had sent her a common request on the story.

12:01
And then we started talking and then, you know, she became someone that I had a relationship with a while ago.

12:07
and yeah, that's pretty much that's how it works and then, you know, going to events, meeting people like how you and I met each other.

12:13
LAUREN: Right.

12:14
LAUREN: Right, So when the housewife, so one of the questions that I got a lot like frequently was do these housewives just call you up and plant the stories, how we're always watching these storylines of being like, well radar online has the, you know, juicy lucy, apple, juicy or whatever the hell, you know, storyline.

12:36
LAUREN: And I always wonder like is is lisa just like texting you guys like, oh my God, Dorita such a bit or something, you know, or do you take it like is it more serious like to get the story I don't know if I can say, okay, well your sources, right?

13:00
Yeah, yeah, yeah and we do, we give you know, if there's like a big storyline on housewives and you know, we have sources telling us what's happening before it comes out, we will contact and give a common call because we, and give them the opportunity to give their side of the story.

13:16
LAUREN: I'm sure a lot of reporters do have relationships with, you know, specific housewives and stuff, but I mean it's a small world at the end of the day too.

13:27
LAUREN: So when you reach another question, we got a lot was when you send the reaching out for comments and you're like, oh do you have anything to say about this before you publish the story, like about how long do they have to respond?

13:40
LAUREN: LAUREN: Like what if it's a long weekend, you know, is it ever just kind of an ambush the thing or do you give them like a week or so it depends on the story.

13:48
So for example, if you'll see this a lot, if if a lawsuit breaks, like say like the Crystal, a lawsuit breaks, that's something where like everyone every outlet is going to get that complaint so you don't want to get scooped, so you'll send them a comment request and you're kind of just with something like that, that its core docs, black and white, you can publish it right away and add, they did not respond immediately for comment, but if it's something where you know, you're not going to get scooped on it.

14:19
it depends on the claims.

14:22
If it's something that it's just like, oh, you know Melissa and Teresa got into a fight.

14:26
That's something maybe we can give like a few hours.

14:29
Obviously if they're in L.

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A.

14:30
We have to give them, you know, a little more time to wake up, a little more time to wake up.

14:39
But if it's, you know, we'll give a few hours if it's something like, you know, like a sexual abuse story or something where I'm curious that's something that will give, you know, anywhere from 24 hours to until they respond.

14:52
LAUREN: Really?

14:54
I had recently done, do you guys cover?

14:56
Do you like do you watch teen mom?

14:58
LAUREN: A lot of my listeners watch teen mom.

15:02
Yes.

15:02
LAUREN: Very interested in the oh yeah, of course.

15:08
So when when leah and Jalen called off their engagement, I had a source tell me that you know, he had been messaging other people and that was the reason they split.

15:19
That was something where we couldn't post it until we heard back from his rap.

15:23
You know, it was, you know, that's a key.

15:25
He was in him of cheating, right?

15:26
So when we did you know his record back to us.

15:30
So yeah, it really depends on the story, but we try to give them enough time to respond and especially if they have like representation.

15:38
LAUREN: Those people are usually like monitoring their email so it's not like right?

15:43
I would assume that that's what's difficult with reality stars because a lot of them have representation.

15:49
So like their reps will get back to us quickly or like we know they just don't want to answer right?

15:54
But then if you have like, you know like like Mackenzie mckee or someone like that who doesn't have representation, I'm gonna have to text them right or give them a heads up.

16:04
Yeah.

16:05
LAUREN: Oh wow.

16:06
It's a little harder when they don't have a rap.

16:08
LAUREN: Yeah.

16:09
Yeah.

16:10
LAUREN: I can only imagine like reminds me of Kanye like I cannot be managed exactly.

16:16
How do you comment request Kanye West?

16:18
LAUREN: I know right?

16:19
LAUREN: Maybe you just don't.

16:23
LAUREN: So we met at gen shaw's sentencing and I want to know like how you got to cover that.

16:30
LAUREN: Like that's so fun.

16:32
LAUREN: Was it because you are a housewife's fan or you got assigned what happened?

16:37
So I, I love anything.

16:40
Whenever someone gets sued I'm like can I make my editor Gina, I'm like can I cover this?

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Like I will be the case.

16:45
So when jen got her lawsuit, I just story on the complaint.

16:51
and then when they assigned her to, well when they scheduled her sentencing I was like I'm going can I please go, you know my boss is amazing and everyone in media is as well is like they want you to like what you do and they want you to like where you're covering because that's where you get the best stories, right?

17:10
Your passion about it, you want to do it.

17:12
So she's really good about letting us do whatever we want to do.

17:15
So I was like, she let me go and I was really excited about that, I'm grateful for that.

17:19
And yeah, I'm a huge house.

17:20
LAUREN: I stand and I had to be, You had to be there when you did Theresa, were you able to go to any of those hearings or any of those like outside the courtrooms or I wasn't because that was in what like 2014, right?

17:37
Yeah, it was a while ago.

17:38
LAUREN: Yeah.

17:39
And I started around like 2016, late 2015.

17:43
So I wish that would have been like the high highlight of my career.

17:47
LAUREN: It's so crazy to think that these like, like that would have been the highlight of your career, you know, that's kind of, I'm assuming what may be inspired you to like do some of this stuff and then to be like this in this place in your career and being like, well I'm going to go cover john shaw's sentencing now, like it's super full circle.

18:08
LAUREN: That's kind of cool.

18:09
Yeah and I did, I interviewed a bunch of times and I remember the first time I interviewed her, we went somewhere in pennsylvania, I think it was a casino.

18:19
She was like this was when right before their sentencing.

18:22
I think they were just trying to make some money and I had went and this was like my first big interview.

18:29
I was like you are my like role model.

18:31
I was like you're my favorite housewives and she was kind of like, okay, like I'm on my way to prison.

18:41
Yeah.

18:43
LAUREN: Oh my gosh, what other housewives have you interviewed or like your favorite interview?

18:48
LAUREN: You know?

18:49
Yeah, I love the countess is always the best.

18:54
She throws the best events.

18:55
It's always like tuna tartare like you know, she's, she's exactly how she is on tv, she's amazing Sonia morrigan is historical.

19:05
I can only imagine who else, melissa go gorda joke orga.

19:12
LAUREN: I love joe Gorda, are you going to cover any of those lawsuits you think or which ones with joe?

19:21
Yeah, with joe.

19:22
LAUREN: I think he was like suing his tenant for something.

19:26
LAUREN: And then yeah and then I believe recently don't quote me on this, he was like in trouble for doing some big like real estate development and the neighbors were getting pissed.

19:39
LAUREN: But I'm not, I'm not totally sure if that's just something I dreamed up, you know, I think I've heard about that.

19:46
I don't think I covered those because we have like, you know on our team, I have, you know, other other, you know, we have, we have an amazing team and you know, we all work really hard.

19:56
So I think you know, one of them covered it.

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But yeah, I mean I will definitely keep an eye out for new ones.

20:02
Yeah.

20:02
LAUREN: You could, you could like have a one on one Andy style with, I wonder if he'll do one with jen shaw.

20:11
I don't know because did you go to bravo con and I didn't feel like he was a little like dismissive like he, I feel like he said something along the lines of like she pled guilty.

20:21
It's not someone we want to really work with.

20:24
Didn't he say something like that?

20:25
LAUREN: I do remember hearing that.

20:27
Yeah.

20:29
And so I don't know if he's gonna, I feel like I hope so.

20:33
LAUREN: I hope so too.

20:34
LAUREN: I'm like so nosy.

20:38
LAUREN: so mike the situation sentencing.

20:41
LAUREN: tell me about that.

20:43
LAUREN: Did you go there?

20:44
LAUREN: Do you like read the transcripts?

20:46
LAUREN: Like what's how did that play out for you?

20:49
Yeah.

20:49
So I went there.

20:50
That was my first big federal case.

20:52
It was, he was, he was so happy.

20:54
He was like, oh my gosh, like how he was on the show, like just like charismatic and like swagger.

21:00
LAUREN: I just love his cheeks.

21:03
Yes, yes.

21:04
And his wife was there.

21:06
I believe his girlfriend, his fiancee at the time.

21:09
I think I remember his brother was there.

21:11
His sister was there.

21:12
Like everyone from the show.

21:14
I remember being like, oh my God, that's his sister.

21:16
I saw her, she was on Jersey Shore and he was really nice?

21:20
I mean, you know, he had a few fans there.

21:22
He was nice to them.

21:24
and I just remember, unlike jen, I felt like he was like, so he listed all the reasons why he should just get probation.

21:33
Like he was basically like, I went to treatment.

21:36
I've been sober for this long.

21:38
I'm, you know, going to schools and talking to teenagers about drug use.

21:42
Whereas jen was more like, I'm going to pay the restitution and you can tell like the judge was very, I was very moved by him and you can tell like she was only giving him eight months because you know, with the guidelines, she kind of had to, but she was very impressed by him.

22:00
That's why when we went to jen and I saw the way the judge was interjecting and just seems like he didn't like her.

22:06
I was so shocked because I never saw a judge do that.

22:09
LAUREN: Right?

22:10
LAUREN: So when, so when it was mike's situation, the judge wasn't as aggressive or things like, like that because the judge judge was like, and how are you going to do that?

22:22
LAUREN: And I was like, okay, this was my first time in federal court.

22:25
LAUREN: So I was like scared, you know, and I was like, okay, I don't know if I could handle emotionally being interrupted like that.

22:34
Put on the spot.

22:35
LAUREN: But she kind of took it like a champ after like her three minute pause.

22:41
The part where he was like is she still selling the t shirts?

22:45
I like dropped.

22:46
LAUREN: I know is she Did anyone get 1?

22:53
Oh my gosh.

22:55
Yeah so the so the judge you can tell like a major difference between them.

22:59
Yeah the judge in mix was very impressed by how much he I mean what did he always say that the comebacks greater than the setback like it really was and I feel like the judge respected that even when I went to the josh duggar sentencing I think the judge wasn't like judge judge in the sense of being I guess more aggressive but he did express that he felt like josh wasn't remorseful and he felt so like during these sentences the judge is really you know they go in.

23:30
It's really interesting.

23:31
LAUREN: Well it's also you think about I mean from my perspective like everyone has such different perspectives when you're sitting in the courtroom.

23:41
LAUREN: Like you as a reporter have like this perspective I'm assuming of like the entertainment value here but like the interest and the information and like the public necessity to like I know what's going on in court and then as someone who works in a law firm I was sitting there like thinking what are the lawyers thinking what is the judge thinking and then the judges sitting there having knowing none of these people like knowing none of the priest stuff or not being able to care and then really judging these people for who they think they are like and that's a different perspective like so to see josh duggar and we all think he's a piece of ship you know and then have a judge fully be like yeah you're kind of an unremorseful piece of sh it like really is confirmation that he is what we thought he was.

24:34
Yeah and the judge said something that like you know how sometimes people say something and just sticks with you, he said something it was like you know because the whole the whole sentencing was like well this person is saying how amazing he is and you know he he helps finance this widow and he helps his he's a great father all these things and the judge was like you know you've done many good things in your life, you've helped a lot of people but what really makes a man a good man is what he does behind closed doors and what you did behind closed doors you're not a good man and I was oh my god oh my gosh that's yeah I mean he's not a good man.

25:13
LAUREN: So you so were you in the courtroom from what I remember from our conversation the whole time or just the sentencing.

25:19
No I was there for two weeks, I was in Arkansas for two weeks.

25:22
LAUREN: Oh my gosh, what was that like?

25:26
LAUREN: Because I can only imagine it being exhausting.

25:29
Yes.

25:29
A little emotional.

25:32
Yes, it was a hard two weeks.

25:33
Yeah.

25:34
Yeah.

25:34
LAUREN: So you get there and do you guys all have assigned seats?

25:37
LAUREN: Are you fighting for a seat in the courtroom every morning?

25:40
So I got really lucky because so we all, I, I reached out to the clerk prior and I Asked if they were doing assigned seating for media because that was just something, you remember Jen how early we had to wake up.

25:53
It's not something you want to do for two weeks, you know, so we had to like give them credentials, we had to send our clips.

26:01
I had covered every single filing.

26:02
So I sent them like 30 clips with, I work with the sun.

26:06
and I got, I got reserved seating.

26:09
but I still, there were so many people that I still like got there early every day because I always was just like, I just like I needed to be there.

26:17
Yeah, but a lot of reporters didn't have assigned seating.

26:22
but it was, there was an overflow room typical too, like what jen what they did with jen?

26:28
but you know, during the trial, it wasn't that crowded.

26:31
It only was crowded the last few days and then the people who worked at the courthouse were really good about knowing like, you know, this reporter has been here since day one, I'm going to make sure they get in the courtroom.

26:42
LAUREN: Very nice.

26:44
Yeah, that's good.

26:45
LAUREN: And then when you're watching because that I mean was a crazy topic to cover.

26:51
LAUREN: So how did you like take notes or sit there and be like this is an important fact for me to share and this is or this is like too much of a graphic fact for you know, because that's you're so immersed.

27:08
I think I filled three like full notebooks of information.

27:15
It was just every day constantly writing, constantly writing.

27:18
We would get a break in the morning, a break for lunch and then a break in the afternoon.

27:24
And once we broke, once the jury walked out of the room, I'd run downstairs send all of my info to you know, my son coworkers who somehow read my handwriting.

27:37
We had the blog that was super successful.

27:40
and yeah, they, it was, it was really hard.

27:48
It was so much information and I remember there were times where I would like start something in my notebook and I would tell them, you know, we have to do this angle as a separate and then this needs to go in the blog.

27:59
I sent everything, even like the really graphic stuff I sent.

28:02
But we, you know, my my coworkers do a really good job of knowing what should be published and what shouldn't be published.

28:08
So I was really lucky to have a good team at home while I was there in the courtroom.

28:13
But I feel like anything that I thought was interesting, I felt like you know, my readers would think was interesting because there was like a day in court where it was all about because josh's defense was arguing that a coworker obtained the child.

28:30
You remember download the, learn through the router and the federal agents did not seize the router.

28:36
So that was their whole argument that you know, they should have seized it and they would have seen that he did not commit this crime.

28:43
So it was like, yeah, so it was two days of like just very heavy like forensics and technological stuff which I knew like if I I was having a hard time keeping up.

28:54
It would be hard to relate to the reader when I really like focused on like I was more interested in like the fact that you know, he he downloaded the child porn and then went to home depot and took a selfie with anna like 30 minutes later.

29:10
Like that to me was like really in right?

29:12
Yeah, the human aspect part is what's like and that his Children were his screensaver on his computer, like what the hell and stuff like that.

29:23
And then also you know watching like I remember when Jill walked in and she's estranged from the family, josh like lit up and gave her the biggest hug because that was probably the first time he's seen her in years then, you know, stuff like that.

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I was like, okay, this, this needs to be a separate, you know?

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So it's basically like whatever to me was like my jaw dropped was you know what I was kind of saying, we need to do this.

29:47
LAUREN: Yeah, A lot of people were curious about jim bob and like what, what?

29:54
LAUREN: And I didn't follow every day, so I'm not sure like how participatory jim bob was in this trial.

30:01
LAUREN: What was he there every day?

30:04
LAUREN: What was his vibe?

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So jim bob was there or maybe the last four days of the trial?

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The trial lasted two weeks.

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There was no family the first week and only the last few days that the family start coming in.

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I think the only family members actually that came the first few days was Derek Dillard and then Joy in Austin, they were there almost every day.

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but so I remember when I saw jim bob for the first time, he was like smiling if you remember his, his campaign was like a few days after the guilty verdict, I think it was like the Tuesday after.

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and I remember him going to people saying like, are you from Arkansas, are you from Arkansas?

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Oh you're from Arkansas, make sure to vote for me for you in the courtroom.

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Yeah.

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And I'm in the lobby and I remember thinking like your son is upstairs on child for child porn and you're like telling this Arkansas resident to vote for you.

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LAUREN: That's surreal.

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Yeah.

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And there was like, there was a moment where I'll never forget this prosecution had this expert witness on and he basically shut down all of the defenses router theory.

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and jim bob was sitting there like, wow, like animated, animated and like basically like, you know, this guy is, you know, he didn't say full of, you know, but but his gesture was like, he's full of it.

31:35
LAUREN: Yeah, I couldn't, I couldn't, wow, that's so weird.

31:41
LAUREN: That's weird.

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So he was like campaigning and like gesturing in there the whole time.

31:48
LAUREN: That's so weird.

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So when would you after sitting through topic like that?

31:54
LAUREN: Like is there anything you think you wouldn't be able to sit through?

31:58
LAUREN: I mean to me that's the worst of the worst.

32:00
LAUREN: So like if push comes to shove and like our beloved housewife is up on the stand next for something terrible.

32:09
LAUREN: Like is there anything you wouldn't cover?

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No, I think, I think I would cover it all.

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I feel like that's part of the job.

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You know, and the sun is amazing in the sense that like if there's something we don't feel comfortable covering, they would never pressure push you to do it.

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and you know, for something like this, it was really, it was probably the hardest thing to sit through.

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I mean, well you read in the court documents, I I thought I was prepared.

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I was okay.

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I read your documents.

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They're just kind of gonna read the court docs.

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It was 1000 times more detailed.

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It was a lot more graphic.

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it was really hard.

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Everyone in the courtroom.

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I mean, people were tearing people pale the jury.

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I mean, thank God the jury, I believe they were able to get counseling after because they actually had to look at it like you didn't have to.

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They did.

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So I don't, I think after this, I think I can say I can, I can sit through.

33:03
LAUREN: Yeah, I think you can too.

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Yeah.

33:05
LAUREN: So the jury would they like, you know like be so upset that they couldn't look.

33:11
LAUREN: I mean you have to look if you're a juror right?

33:14
LAUREN: You can't like keep your eyes shut.

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Yeah.

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No, they all look, you have to look, you know, there were, there were times where someone would, you know, kind of, you know, put their head down and kind of be like, you know like I mean, you know, but yeah, but they all they all looked, they have, you know, wow, our civil heroes really.

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I know and that's why I was glad when they when the court provided them with counseling after because I was like, you know, that's so so difficult to look at.

33:42
LAUREN: Yeah, so difficult to look at.

33:44
LAUREN: So you're covering wow sharp, change the topic.

33:49
LAUREN: You're covering Chrisley now.

33:51
LAUREN: So you, it seems like you've been following them since before the sun, like radar all that.

33:57
LAUREN: So is that just like, have you been watching the show?

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LAUREN: How did you become invested in the chris please?

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I love the Grizzlies.

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I love the show.

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I think, I mean before the whole indictment, I thought they were historical watching Todd.

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I remember when they don't know their London episode.

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They were so funny.

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I love the family.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And the good thing about the Sun is that they like I said before they really if you're passionate about something, they let you do it.

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So you know whenever I pitch Chrisley or something, you know, they always let me run with it and kind of do what I wanted, you know what I really, really care about?

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and that does well of course, you know with the reason.

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Yeah.

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But yeah, I know, I always loved the crystal is I don't know how Todd and julie are gonna handle prison.

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I know they're checking in right?

34:50
LAUREN: Yeah, I think they checked in yesterday praying for them.

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I don't know how Todd's gonna be.

34:56
LAUREN: I don't know, I don't know, I feel like Todd's gonna have a problem and but I feel like julie is going to be the head bitchin charge of whatever person she's yeah, she's gonna be like, hi I'm making cookies.

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They're like out of hooch and like solar panels, but she's going to like do it up.

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LAUREN: It's Martha Stewart if Theresa can do it.

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Exactly.

35:16
LAUREN: Exactly.

35:17
LAUREN: So what, what do you want to do next?

35:19
LAUREN: What's next for you?

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LAUREN: Like do you want to cover more trials?

35:24
LAUREN: More like pleadings?

35:26
LAUREN: Like where do you, where do you see your interest sort of peeking around?

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I definitely want to do more trials anytime, anytime someone gets sued.

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I want to, I want to go to the trial.

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I want to go to the court hearings.

35:40
LAUREN: kindred spirits you and I I love that you enjoy it too.

35:47
Yeah, I mean, I mean I was listening to your episode I think part one of the john shaw and you and your guests were talking about how we were like the only ones in like the room who knew what was going on.

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There's just something so interesting about the fact that like where there's only a small group of people who sees the reactions and sees what's happening and I just think that's so like exciting and exhilarating and it's very interesting.

36:12
LAUREN: Yeah, and it's fun to read about like and hear about like the, I would never ever have known about jim bob like waving to people, you know like and and we need people who know that that's important in the room, you know, because the court transcript lady isn't going to write that down exactly and you know, I mean I just yeah, I'm looking forward to covering anything.

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Anything with law and legal coming up.

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I just did like a guy, I interviewed a josh duggar's fellow inmates family member and she gave me all the T on the prison and all of like the horrific conditions.

36:51
LAUREN: Oh my God, you know anna and everything, the kids, oh my gosh, I can't wait to read that story.

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Oh my gosh!

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So yeah, just keeping it going, you know?

37:03
LAUREN: Okay, well I'm like so thankful that you are like came on this podcast and like educated us and just like grace us with your presence and I hope you'll come back on and be our boots on the ground correspondent.

37:17
LAUREN: This is just like so incredible.

37:19
LAUREN: I loved this.

37:21
LAUREN: Thank you so much.

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Thank you so much for having me.

37:23
I really appreciate it.

37:24
LAUREN: You're welcome.

37:25
LAUREN: Is there any way we can follow you anything you want to plug while you're here?

37:31
Oh yeah, I can.

37:32
I mean everyone definitely check out The Sun please.

37:36
I mean we have like an amazing team.

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We have, you know, Jessica Finn is on top of like the Wendy Williams beat.

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I don't know if you guys are obsessed with that as I am, but we have Diana cooper who's gonna be doing all bachelor all season.

37:50
She already has a bunch of explosives in the works.

37:53
we have Katie Forrester who is going to be all on lisa Marie Presley's death.

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Oh my God, yeah, just like we have an amazing team.

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So yeah, please check out the website.

38:05
LAUREN: Oh my gosh, I'm so excited and the instagram I follow you guys on instagram and like the graphics are great.

38:12
Oh my we have the best photo team.

38:14
I mean I'm, I love the Sun like yes, I'm glad you do because you know we started in november I think 2019 we launched or that's when I started, I think we ended up launching in 2020 the U.

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S.

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Side of it and you know it was a team of like really small team and now we have so many people, so many departments are photo team is great, the video is great.

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So yeah, we're really proud of what you know what we've made of it.

38:42
LAUREN: Well you're like one of my number one source is like, I love the Sun, so thank you so much for coming on here and I cannot wait to talk with you again, I can't talk to you too, thank you so much.

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Got it.